What would Jesus Do?

[Oni]

Has to be one of the most anoyingly over used frases in the world. At least in the top 10. Not because it's not a good phrase, but because it's used for the wrong reasons. Much like alot of religion. Any way I actually used that in a discussion today. This is going to be my rant, and I am curious people's opinions.
Should a Church just focus on a specific group to help?
If a church is all inclusive, what does that mean?
What do you want to see in a church?
Should a church be for the people, or the people for the church?
Is it ok for a church to have some selfish aspects about its organization stucture?

[Rachael]

Should a Church just focus on a specific group to help? - The problem with being a church, especially a small one like MCC, is that there's really only so much you can do, and there's only so many groups you can help.  It would be bad if the church just helped one group and never helped any others, but it is inevitable that it will become known for helping out one group over all else.

If a church is all inclusive, what does that mean?  It means that anyone can come worship regardless of whether or not they're a member. 

What do you want to see in a church?  I like artwork of any kind and I like rituals and music.  I would never attend a church where I could not sing.  I don't like crucifixes or people talking during the service.

Should a church be for the people, or the people for the church?  A church should always be for the people, but the leaders of the church are people, too.  It's important to not forget that.

Is it ok for a church to have some selfish aspects about its organization stucture?  It's not necessarily "Okay," but it is inevitable.  See previous point.

[TheGuardianAngel]

Basicly a church is suppose to be a place to be around jesus and god to learn what they have done. A church should not only go for one group of people but they should go for all groups. Just like Jesus, Jesus helped those who have sinned aswell as those who havent. So basicly what he did is to teach us something from what he has done, In ways Christ was a teacher, He came down from heaven to teach us and to save us. I am from Niagara Celebration Church, an usher but a very respected one and knowledged one, A church is not a place for selfish for what will selfish bring and what will it cause? Has christ been selfish to teach us? No. instead he was fair and kind and he was helpful. We are not to do what many think but we should be there to help those that need it aswell as those who dont. If Jesus was here which he is here to let you know, Christ is in you and in me. He will not leave us for the love he gave stays and the light that she has shown stays bright. A church is for the people aswell as the people are for the church, we are to go there and relax and enjoy god aswell as enjoy him in our homes. What would you guys do right now if god and jesus has gave you a test and wanted to see if you could do it? what would you do and how would you do it? would you be afraid or would you be happy? as of right now, brother some how killed internet but the only thing that didnt die was this message. It kinda lets you knwo that if there is something that god wants you to do he will back you up. What christ has for you can not be stopped, online or in real life. why? because he is one who wants you to succeed. God and jesus dont want us to be selfish nore mean things so whats the best thing for us to do? Share the love that Christ has given to us to share. Right now you are probley wondering why or what this message means. well really what has god and jesus done for us? They helped and created us. So really this message is really to explain alot of things. I am not a pastor but you want to know something? We are all knowledged of God and Jesus but we must open our eyes. Glory to god and jesus. anyways I just thought I would let you know this. If there is anything else you wish to know just let me know and Ill be glad to give more messages

[Im1ru1]

I think perhaps the problem is that we confuse A church with THE CHURCH.  A church is a building where people go to worship, THE CHURCH is Christ's Teachings.  Given a choice, I know which one I prefer.

Herman

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Oni...quit baiting me.  :'(

[Oni]

My dear bother. I think you have been baited here. And I am sure your input would be intriguing to most who read this site.

Ninja edit by TMAK!

[Im1ru1]

I agree TMAK that your input would be interesting...and thanks for the Ninja Edit of Oni's post...

Herman

[Oni]

Has to be one of the most anoyingly over used frases in the world. At least in the top 10. Not because it's not a good phrase, but because it's used for the wrong reasons. Much like alot of religion. Any way I actually used that in a discussion today. This is going to be my rant, and I am curious people's opinions.
Should a Church just focus on a specific group to help?
If a church is all inclusive, what does that mean?
What do you want to see in a church?
Should a church be for the people, or the people for the church?
Is it ok for a church to have some selfish aspects about its organization stucture?

Through Randomly Clickling through the admin side of the site I found this link in the stats for some reason. So I followed it. I noticed that like many other of my questions I did not answer these questions.

So after much deleberation... okay took me five minutes not even to decide to post. But since it's one of the topic's that have been running through my head all week I will attempt to proform a mirical and revive this thread.

1. What would Jesus Do?
   He would do what Jesus does. I see Jesus as a very forgiving man, but some how I don't think that he would just give you stuff cause you asked for it. You would have to mean it, and earn it. Forgiveness is easy, but when you repeat the same f*** up and then go back and ask again. I am sure he would give you some overly coded statement (well in the bible anyway) that roughly translates. "I will only forgive you as long as you learned from your mistakes and don't make them again" Type of thing.

2. Should a Church just focus on a specific group to help?
   Yesh and No. Yesh, in the sense that if there are no black churches in the south (isn't that were the main branch of Churches is?) then they make one. A white person maybe be welcome there, but the church is primarly for the black crowd that can not find a home in another chuch. If a church wants to focus on a group of people that just want to follow a specific line of teachings.. like gay is wrong and women should be scene not heard... that's  fine. Let them focus on those people. If your church wants to preach that gay is good and that "god loves all the children of the world." Let them. They will be preaching to a specific crowd. And it's there right to do so. Freedom of Religion and all that. It's what that church does.  If Prevo wants to teach that gay is bad, he will be focusing on a crowd/group that follows and agree's with that idea.
   I do think some churches need to focus more one the community at large like they claim to do, especially if they boast that they are an all inclusive church and are there for everybody.

3. What do you see in a church?
   I see a good teachings gone horribly wrong. "Love thy Neibor" Very simple right.... Wrong. "Love thy neibor unless he is black, white, green, gay, jew, mormon, or has more wifes than you" Is how some churches treat a good simple very easy to understand statement. Every church has it's perks and it's draw backs. But when you get down to it, I find that they all have a Dogma or two... okay or lots rooted in them. So i see humor in that they can't practice what they preach. <- I am guilty of that some times. But ya know the good ol' saying. "Do as I say not as I do." Catholic Priests had that one pined when they all said it's a sin to lay with another man. ... Oh wait they said "another man" not a boi...
   I actually prefer some of the more smaller churches. They still have there dogma's but there are less of them. They are still out to help people and put on a good face to bring in members, and less about saying others are wrong, and more about helping the community to bring in members and show they are great place to come and worship.

4. What do you want to see in a church?
   Them to follow ALL of there teachings and not just pick and choose what works. LOL.
   Really I would like to see a church that is actually there for the community, and not about the money and the fame, and telling people what to do. Just a safe haven for people to come to when they need to, learn when they need to, be safe, find guidance, friendship, and not be belittled for who they are or what they believe. .... Am I ever going to see that.... Not likly. LOL.

5. Should a church be for the people, or the people for the church?
   A church should always be for the people I think. It is also good if the people give back to the church the way the church gives back to them. Like any other relationship goes. If one person is the only one giving it doesn't work out to well. So a happy ballance of both should be in order.

6. Is it ok for a church to have some selfish aspects about its organization stucture?
   Is it okay for a church to say "Hay guys we need money to make a shiny statue in our gods image, please give us yours." Well ya kinda. If you want to support that church you will help them out. You have to be a little bit selfish to survive. How can you take care of others if you can not take care of your self.

Oni...quit baiting me. 

* Oni C@ Wiggles the hook