Marriage of Convenience vs. Love.

[Oni]

How do people feel about a gay couple marring a lesbian couple, and there for each benefiting from the other, but living there own lifes based on beliefs and religious preferances.

What about a marriage or nessisity? For example if Bush removed the Resident Alien, and you had to be a Citizian. You can no longer have Dual Citizainship in the US, it’s either on or the other, but you can still have US Residency for now. So say a person who has lived her most of his life as a Resident Alien, and has a child here, so the Child is a Citizian of this country. And Resident Alien status is revoked. Would it be ok for that person to marry to stay in the country with his child?

Are there situations were a “Mock Marriage” is ok?

If you are married, and it is you and your “married partners” beliefs that you can lead separate lifes, is that still adultery, and punishable by law?

Could two gay guys, marry a lesbian couple, and it be ok?

If gays can marry in the one state that allows it, and one half is not a citizian, does that give that one citizianship like in a strait marriage? Or is that citizianship limited to that state, and once they leave the state they loose citizianship? Or is citizianship even given to gay couples?

What about marriage for politics? (though not done much anymore) a marrage to bring to families powers together to make them stronger? Or so that the family could stay together?

Please let me know what you guys think.

[Kritter]

To me, just as long the two couples (lesbian and gay) agrees 100%, I don't see nothing wrong with it. There has been countless of people abusing the marriage privildges. Course that is one reason why gay marriage should be legal.

[Oni]

But would it not make for a bad example if Gay people abuse the marrage laws in order to get what they want, and not what they are fighting for?

[Kritter]

Yes, it does look bad. However, this could happen because of it (it just came into mind):
If every gay couples marries a lesbian couple (two male and two female) then wouldn’t the religious folk see what they are doing is ‘immoral’. The gay folks could turn around and say, “But this is a marriage between a man and a woman.” So both parties are being ‘satisfied’. The religious folks could somewhat push the government to make a something similar to marriage and pass it. So then BAM gay marriage is born. The religious folks would hesitate that their word (more like the Bibles words) are being used for what it stands for; thus, they would want something to change that to finally give into the gay community demands. Does that make sense? It makes so much sense in my head than putting it on words.

[Oni]

Meow,
After spending some time translating that. I understand what she is trying to say. If anyone else is having troubles do let me know and I will translate beaner speak.
In a really weird sense of Logic I can see your point. Especially if the Gay people advertise it. But then I believe that would be considered Frod…Though I would be curious to see what people have to say about what you just said. It does sound like a plausible idea. It meats all the requirements of Marrage. Love is not a requirement of a marrage. How very interesting. There is no reason why it could not be done. I wonder if we would have people that would be willing to do that to make that point. And how it would actually play out, or if a court of law would try and nul and void there marriage. They would need a good laywer who knew wording pretty good as well. Mmm
That’s a GOOD PLAN. *evil grin*
WoW! I almost have to give you credit on this, but some part of me feels that there is a flaw in that logic some were. I just cant place it.

[Goman Fox]

I don't even want to marry a man, why would I want to marry a lesbian?

Personally, I'm too honest of a person to get away with doing something like that, or being some part of it.  No matter what the benefits, I still think it'd be wrong to do.  And it would be extremely counter-productive for the gay rights issue concerning marriage.  If a gay and lesbian couple could just have two straight marriages, what would be the point of a gay marriage?  For those people that just want benefits of marriage, they would get what they wanted and give up on fighting for gay marriage, leaving far less active support.

And the benefits tied to that wouldn't be worth it either.  Mainly because the opposite-sex spouse would be the one benefitting, not your partner.  So, for example, if Oni and I found a lesbian couple and each married one of the women, if Oni was really sick in the hospital, and they decided only family could visit him, it would be his lesbian "wife" that could see him, not me.  Likewise, if his medical insurance would cover a spouse, I still wouldn't be covered.

Not only that but it would complicate the relationships a lot.  Two couples would be closely tied into eachother, even if the agreement of "we live our life, you live your lives" was there.  Why?  If one couple split up on really bad terms, either they would still have to tolerate eachother when staying around their opposite-sex "spouses" or divorce them.  Meaning the status of one couple could potentially harm the other couple, by taking away marriage benefits, causing stress, or something similar.  Even in two seemingly stable couples, there's no guarantee they will always be together forever.

There is also the fact that the four people would -have- to stay physically close to eachother to make the marriages believable.  Obviously the gay/lesbian couples would want to be around their real lovers, but the "married couples" would have to be together as well.  For important life-changing events, like being offered a specific job opportunity or something, just getting one person (a lover) to be able to  give up everything and move somewhere for that can be tough, but to expect that of three people is just unreasonable.

No matter what the benefits, it would never be worth it because of the complications that would come up.  And that's not even touching the issue that there would be with someone like Oni that would get caught in marriage fraud because he's not a US Citizen.  I just don't think it would work.

[Rachael]

They're making a movie like this, only it's two straight guys.

I do think it's wrong, but I don't think it should be illegal.  Straight couples do it all the time.  Just look at Hollywood.

Come on, gay people, share the corruption!

[Oni]

But would it be right.

[Rachael]

I just told you I don't think it's right.  But this is a question of morality, and pushing my morals on others wouldn't be right, either.

[ViewSonic]

A marrage with out love, is not a marrage in the eyes of God.

[Amanda - Angel]

Honestly, break down the meaning of marriage. There is so many reasons. And as the United states, it is in our laws, that religion and state cant be together. Hell Marriage is already scared from Las Vegas. For once I think people who honestly love eachother should have the vote.

[Oni]

 the U.S.A is were people have a vote. But its because of that that stupid sh** happens

[Amanda - Angel]

True.. that's  how stupid crap happens.. then again people who actually care about what happens doesnt really vote either.. take me for example..lol.. Anyways.. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it.

[Crimson]

not true on all counts (the voting bit) I for just an example did not vote for bush in either election. I voted for Danelle Martin. Sure she didn't win but then think of how many political parties there are in this country... People do often vote when they care but often think that if they vote without it being the (in the case of presidential elections) 2 main candidates then they will lose. If all those people that settled for close enough voted the way they truly wanted to then the elections would be much different. Its not a matter of not voting for most people its a matter of voting in 'close enough'. While that scenario does not account for everyone or every ballot it does account for many.

[Eternimus]

Gays and Lesbians marrying would be funny, cause you have to consummate the marriage.

But the fact of the matter is, a "marriage of necessity" is a cop out. It's like saying you don't want marriage to same sex partners. It's saying you want the rights of hetero couples. And that's bullshit. Every time I hear "Gay marriage rights" it's always coupled with "We want the same marriage as straight people! We want all the benefits that go with it!!"

It makes it sound like you guys don't care about anything. Not your partner, not your lifestyle, your rights. You ONLY want the benefit of marriage because of the fact you can get things, like previous posts said, medical, visitation, citizenship, whatever.

Crimson works for the state. Has state contributed medical, dental, vision insurance, ect. Her and I are married. But her insurance doesn't cover me yet for some reason. I was embarrassed when we found that out, since we were trying to use it when we discovered that, but it was fine. I just told her to make them stop taking so much of her paycheck if it isn't gonna cover the rest of us. Because I didn't marry her for the benefits. I didn't marry her for any reason other than to make a complete family. I told her once we were wed she is never getting a divorce from me, so we waited and were together, even living together, for a couple of years before we were wed. And that was just to make it official.

I'm not saying gays and lesbians don't deserve the same rights. I figure you live in a country, you should get the rights.

What I'm saying is you guys need to get it through your heads. Marriage isn't about benefits, other than the benefit of being with your partner in the eyes of the country. Marriage is about being with the person you love, and having a family with them. And screaming rights and benefits every time you talk about marriage makes the whole lot of you look greedy and shallow.