Marriage of Convenience vs. Love.

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Eternimus wins.

Again.

[Oni]

How do people feel about a gay couple marring a lesbian couple, and there for each benefiting from the other, but living there own lifes based on beliefs and religious preferances.

What about a marriage or nessisity? For example if Bush removed the Resident Alien, and you had to be a Citizian. You can no longer have Dual Citizainship in the US, it’s either on or the other, but you can still have US Residency for now. So say a person who has lived her most of his life as a Resident Alien, and has a child here, so the Child is a Citizian of this country. And Resident Alien status is revoked. Would it be ok for that person to marry to stay in the country with his child?

Are there situations were a “Mock Marriage” is ok?

If you are married, and it is you and your “married partners” beliefs that you can lead separate lifes, is that still adultery, and punishable by law?

Could two gay guys, marry a lesbian couple, and it be ok?

What about marriage for politics? (though not done much anymore) a marrage to bring to families powers together to make them stronger? Or so that the family could stay together?

Please let me know what you guys think.

Funny not really any of these were answered.

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Okay, fine.  Let's start with a base line:

mar·riage [mar-ij]
–noun
1.   the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
2.   the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage.
3.   the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of a man and woman to live as husband and wife, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage.
4.   a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.
5.   any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song.
6.   a formal agreement between two companies or enterprises to combine operations, resources, etc., for mutual benefit; merger.
7.   a blending or matching of different elements or components: The new lipstick is a beautiful marriage of fragrance and texture.
8.   Cards. a meld of the king and queen of a suit, as in pinochle. Compare royal marriage.
9.   a piece of antique furniture assembled from components of two or more authentic pieces.
10.   Obsolete. the formal declaration or contract by which act a man and a woman join in wedlock.

Now, do any of your points agree with any of the above definitions for the word "marriage?"  Let's see.

How do people feel about a gay couple marring a lesbian couple, and there for each benefiting from the other, but living there own lifes based on beliefs and religious preferances.

Nope, doesn't fit.

What about a marriage or nessisity? For example if Bush removed the Resident Alien, and you had to be a Citizian. You can no longer have Dual Citizainship in the US, it’s either on or the other, but you can still have US Residency for now. So say a person who has lived her most of his life as a Resident Alien, and has a child here, so the Child is a Citizian of this country. And Resident Alien status is revoked. Would it be ok for that person to marry to stay in the country with his child?

Are you asking if it would be okay to marry the person who bore his child for reasons of staying in our country and forming a complete family for raising the child?  Well, yes.  That would fit with any given definition of marriage.

Are there situations were a “Mock Marriage” is ok?

Need a definition for this term.

If you are married, and it is you and your “married partners” beliefs that you can lead separate lifes, is that still adultery, and punishable by law?

If you entered into a legal agreement with your state that you and your partner are married, and then both mutually agree to have an open marriage, then yes you are legally committing adultery.  Whether or not adultery is punishable by law is up to the state.  Remember: personally acceptable, socially acceptable, and legally acceptable are concepts that don't always agree with each other.

Could two gay guys, marry a lesbian couple, and it be ok?

This is a repeat question, and answered above: this arrangement does not fit any definition for the word "marriage," and therefore is nothing less than trying to find a loophole in the laws.

What about marriage for politics? (though not done much anymore) a marrage to bring to families powers together to make them stronger?

Only happens in Shakespeare plays.

Or so that the family could stay together?

Another repeat question.  The family is the smallest social unit, and therefore it's vital that anything possible that can be done to preserve its integrity should be done.  The concept of marriage was originally given the force of law exactly for this reason.  All arguments for and against gay and lesbian marriages stem from this question: is a same-sex marriage a valid family unit? 

I don't have an answer for that question, but it's pretty clear that our society as a whole is in the midst of redefining the term.

Coming back to the original topic.  Your terms are mis-defined.  A woman who marries a man for the reason that she's pregnant and needs him to support her and the child is a "marriage of necessity."  A gay couple who marries a lesbian couple so that they can reap the legal benefits of marriage and still keep their preferred lifestyles is a "marriage of convenience," and as such is not acceptable by current laws.

Now, don't make me come back in here and paste the definitions for the two big words I just used.

While we're here, let's look at exactly what legal rights and benefits bequeaths and how it would apply to same sex marriages.  As Fox pointed out over a year ago (!), trying to circumvent the law in the way that Oni described just plain wouldn't work.  Here are some of the the legal rights that married couples have and gays and lesbians are denied:

   1. Joint parental rights of children
   2. Joint adoption
   3. Status as "next-of-kin" for hospital visits and medical decisions
   4. Right to make a decision about the disposal of loved ones remains
   5. Immigration and residency for partners from other countries
   6. Crime victims recovery benefits
   7. Domestic violence protection orders
   8. Judicial protections and immunity
   9. Automatic inheritance in the absence of a will
  10. Public safety officers death benefits
  11. Spousal veterans benefits
  12. Social Security
  13. Medicare
  14. Joint filing of tax returns
  15. Wrongful death benefits for surviving partner and children
  16. Bereavement or sick leave to care for partner or children
  17. Child support
  18. Joint Insurance Plans
  19. Tax credits including: Child tax credit, Hope and lifetime learning credits
  20. Deferred Compensation for pension and IRAs
  21. Estate and gift tax benefits
  22. Welfare and public assistance
  23. Joint housing for elderly
  24. Credit protection
  25. Medical care for survivors and dependents of certain veterans

That's quite a list, and none of it would apply to your gay partner if you and he were married to a lesbian couple.

Not to mention all of the sentences containing the word "children" are pretty silly when you try to apply it to a same-sex marriage.  Child support, child tax credit, and just lololol!

I know I'm gonna catch hell for that crack....