god's burrito

[straw]

i was inspired today by this:
 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42F01Zj-lFM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42F01Zj-lFM</a>

what is your definition of god? do you know?

is there a god? and if so, male? female?
animal, vegetable or mineral?

does god have limitations? can he microwave a burrito so hot that it cannot be eaten?
even by him/her/it?

there's no wrong answer. i won't even grade your papers. a+ for participation.


p.s. if you're part of a larger ideology (i.e. christianity), specify what makes you unique. 

[straw]

p.s. i'll post my thoughts after a few of yours.

[Oni]

I find that to be the annoyingly  simple solution to an annoyingly simple question.

.... Oddly makes a lot of sense.


So what inspired this train of thought?

[straw]

i guess it's one of those days

i'm curious as to what people might think and how they'll choose to express it.
it seems that you're avoiding the question?

[Oni]

To be honest, I am not avoiding. Just spending time with My Fox this evening. So will get back to it when I get a chance. I do find it an interesting answer to the question. Whats to say really. It makes sense to me.

[Goman Fox]

Eh I'll be the first to answer, but it wont be a fun answer that goes into uneatable burritos.

I call myself an atheist, although I probably fall under "agnostic" or maybe just "atheist lite."  I don't believe there's a God or any higher, divine power out there.  Where the "atheist lite" part comes in is that I don't believe "there is no god" I just... don't believe there's one, if that makes sense.  If someone asks me if I believed there is a god I would say "I don't think so" rather than "No, there is not."

I think if a "god" does exist, there's two basic categories it could fall in to.  It could either me the whole divine, omnipotent being that can never be proven (so I'll never believe in it), or... "god(s)" is/are actually something like an advanced alien race, who were perceived as gods throughout history because that was the only way people of those time periods could make sense of what they were seeing.  I don't really have any investment in this idea either, even though it's fun to think about (and was even the plot in a fun RPG on the PS2), but at the very least this idea could be proven, more or less.  The existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing being you can't ever see or truly comprehend?  Kinda iffy at best.  The idea that there's life in the universe that's vastly superior to our own that made contact with us in the past?  ...Still unlikely, but more believable to me.  All you need to do is break a few laws of physics first, to achieve faster-than-light travel to make it more valid, lol.

So I don't think "god" could microwave a burrito so hot even he/she/it could not eat it because I don't think "god" exists.   Plus if you heated it high enough, I think it would break down into its more basic parts and no longer be a burrito, but instead be the atoms or whatever that originally made up the burrito. :O

[Taylor-MadeAK]

I'm not going to enter into the "serious" religious aspects of this conversation because it's against my policy to discuss such volatile subject matter in a highly public venue, but I do have some comments to offer on Fox's post:

All you need to do is break a few laws of physics first, to achieve faster-than-light travel to make it more valid, lol.

FTL technology is not a prerequisite.  The observable universe is 12.7 billion years old.  Sol (our primary) has existed for around a third of that time (4.57 billion years), and the ball of rock and water we call Terra was formed soon after (4.54 billion years ago).  Homo sapiens has occupied the "self aware species" slot on our little mudball for ten, maybe twelve thousand years, and has been keeping written records for maybe half that span.

It's not entirely inconceivable that a highly advanced (comparatively) civilization could have visited us multiple times in our history using starships capable of "only" near-C (though still sub-C) travel, provided they came from one of the stars in our solar neighborhood.  Many of those stars (like Pollux or 55 Cancri) are now known to have planetary systems of their own, so the above scenario is entirely possible and Contact is even likely to happen in our very near future (next 500 years or so).

Just sayin'.

So I don't think "god" could microwave a burrito so hot even he/she/it could not eat it because I don't think "god" exists.   Plus if you heated it high enough, I think it would break down into its more basic parts and no longer be a burrito, but instead be the atoms or whatever that originally made up the burrito. :O

This is just plain silly.  Microwave ovens work by emitting radio waves at a frequency that is specifically chosen for its ability to excite asymmetrical water molecules.  Because of this, it is physically impossible for a microwave to heat anything above the boiling point of water (100ºC if you live near sea level).  Yes, at that temperature, a particular food item would be immediately inedible...but time and thermodynamics cures that in rather short order, so your "burrito" can't be permanently rendered inedible in a microwave oven.

[Goman Fox]

This is just plain silly.  Microwave ovens work by emitting radio waves at a frequency that is specifically chosen for its ability to excite asymmetrical water molecules.  Because of this, it is physically impossible for a microwave to heat anything above the boiling point of water (100ºC if you live near sea level).  Yes, at that temperature, a particular food item would be immediately inedible...but time and thermodynamics cures that in rather short order, so your "burrito" can't be permanently rendered inedible in a microwave oven.

pwn'd by science.   I always thought microwave ovens were magic warming boxes but I guess not.  Not seriously, lol, but until you explained it here, I forgot how they actually did work (since the only other time I knew was when you explained it when you were over at our place last fall or something, lol).

I dunno, I guess your near-lightspeed travel thing does make sense, that stuff just confuses me a lot since I have a really weak knowledge of physics.  All that relativity stuff makes my head hurt. D:  Plus I've been corrupted by science fiction into thinking that if it's not faster-than-light, it's not worth it, lol.  Sure, if you could get 99.99% of the speed of light, you could visit other stars, it would just take a few years (from your perspective at least).  I dunno,  I'm not saying any more on this because I don't actually know anything about it and don't want to look stupid.  I mean, when I first read your post, I didn't even catch what "FTL" meant right away, I was thinking of something else.

[Oni]

Why is it that any time GOD is brought up... Physics must be as well?

[straw]

Why is it that any time GOD is brought up... Physics must be as well?

anymore physics is basically a spiritual quest. theoretical physics might as well be theology. other sciences might be brought up because they attempt to replace 'sections' of the 'story of god'(i.e. creation vs. evolution), but physics challenges our very notion of reality and what it's made of (and whodunnit?).

i think one of my first real 'ontological' challenges was reading 'the elegant universe' by brian greene. it reminded me of when i was a child and someone explained atoms to me. i couldn't believe everythings was made of all the same little things. physics keeps going down that rabbit hole until you end up in a story of pure fantasy told by mathematics (which i think is great, really).

btw oni, still waiting... *cue 'the heat is on' ala glenn frey*
man i need to get a life...

note: i can't do the math for any of that stuff, i just read the lay material. math is hard!

[straw]

All you need to do is break a few laws of physics first...

yeah! sounds like a party! i'll bring beer.

p.s. the vid at the top of the thread wasn't created by me. i just found it on the youtube.

[Oni]

btw oni, still waiting... *cue 'the heat is on' ala glenn frey*
man i need to get a life...

I simply supply the match.... for heat you want to speak with TMAK, Goman Fox, and the other hard hitters of AKC.

* Oni C@ casts a line with a nice worm on it into the lake.

[Taylor-MadeAK]

anymore physics is basically a spiritual quest. theoretical physics might as well be theology.

You do enjoy being silly, don't you?

[straw]

anymore physics is basically a spiritual quest. theoretical physics might as well be theology.

You do enjoy being silly, don't you?

makes me feel at home in this silly world. 

[straw]

alright, to give someone else's answer as my own:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OpDZ9tAho" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OpDZ9tAho</a>

if nothing else, alan is funny.