My thoughts on Same Sex Marriage

[Oni]

Same Sex Marriage

I have read many ideas and discussions on the legality of Same Sex Marriage. I find one thing to be ironic. One side fights for it to be legal while the other side fights to keep it illegal. They are all wrong. One side is fighting for what people can already do, and the other side if fighting to stop them. Go out and try it. There is not a single police officer who is going to through you in jail for it. It is already perfectly legal for two men to get married or two women. Don’t believe me. Keep reading then.

Let’s elaborate shall we. Take for example the argument presented by clariss143 “. Marriage is defined as a commitment between a MAN and a WOMAN before God. Therefore, it is a religious commitment.” (Opposing Views, Inc, 2011) What religion is clariss143 talking about exactly? Do the religious beliefs of one group of people control another religion? I am sure some would like to think it does but it doesn’t. This argument is void if simply based off religion. The United States of America believes in freedom of religion. Since “Church” and “State” are separate religion does not dictate law. Therefor if a religion states that two people of the same sex in a loving relationship can get married. There is nothing another religion can do about it aside from maybe complain and moan that another religion is wrong.

Now let us move on to the legal definition of marriage. In the state of Alaska, under the Alaska Constitution, Article 1, Sec. 25, “To be valid or recognized in this state, a marriage may exist only between one man and one woman.” Here I do have to point out that this is what the State of Alaska recognizes for a legal definition of a word. However, this is not the definition every person or religion uses. Religions from all over the world, even some versions of Christianity believe that a Marriage is two  people acknowledging their love and dedication to one another in the eyes of their deity and or community. No were in this law does it state that two men cannot get married, just simply says that the state of Alaska will not recognize it. If you are in a committed relationship, who cares what others think?

I have performed numerous ceremonies of marriage for people. Ranging from; “In the eyes of God” to “a dedicated commitment”, for both homosexual and heterosexual couples. Never once have I been arrested for it. Nor have the people that got married. A marriage is unique to the people participating in it. No governing body or person can stop you from getting married; they simply don’t have to recognize it. It’s that simple. Stop fighting for a right you already have, and stop telling people that you will not recognize what you already do not recognize.

I leave both sides of this discussion this very simply thought. "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius

Works Cited
Opposing Views, Inc. (2011). opposingview. Retrieved from opposingview: http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/should-marriage-for-same-sex-couples-be-legal
 

~Oni

[TundraWolf]

No were in this law does it state that two men cannot get married, just simply says that the state of Alaska will not recognize it. If you are in a committed relationship, who cares what others think?
~Oni

The one flaw I found: there is a financial benefit from marriage. Something about two married people filing their taxes together gives a discount.

On the other hand I presume the tax change is to support the presumably to come baby. And in a same sex relationship there will be no child (unless they adopt)

Not that that particularly matter. Just a little something I noticed.

[kirawolf]

It is, the only reason the argument started was over a money issue. Sure oni you can call it marriage however its wrong to treat one group of people different than another including gays so even if religions dont want to accept it the state and country should, because how would you feel if people pretty much said you dont exist, the life you live is fake, and you dont get taken seriously because of jokes by the media...nigger is an unnaceptable term and Faggot should be too. Its a fair argument and whos to say that the gay couple wouldnt be expecting an adoption, which i also thoroughly support. <3

[Oni]

No were in this law does it state that two men cannot get married, just simply says that the state of Alaska will not recognize it. If you are in a committed relationship, who cares what others think?
~Oni

The one flaw I found: there is a financial benefit from marriage. Something about two married people filing their taxes together gives a discount.

On the other hand I presume the tax change is to support the presumably to come baby. And in a same sex relationship there will be no child (unless they adopt)

Not that that particularly matter. Just a little something I noticed.

Let me start with you. That is not a Flaw. Go look up your IRS stats. Most people that file taxes that are "recognized" as married file sepertaly due to MUCH better benefits.

As far as believing that a baby can only come from AI or from adoption. Let's examine Fox and myself. We have a 6 year old son, been together 6 years, and no adoption papers yet.


Kia.... Can you reword your statement please. I would hate to debate it (friendly of course) with out understanding your correct meaning.

It sounds like you have valid points. I just want to be able to discuss them equally and not accidentally miscontrude you.

[Fox]

There's one big annoying thing that you always bring up with this topic.  You claim that gay marriage is illegal or people are fighting to make it illegal.  That is not true at all.  The issue is that gay marriages are not recognized by most states.  One side is fighting for them to be recognized by the country, or at least individual states, and the other side is fighting to keep things how they are or strengthen the language in the laws to define who can or can't get married.

No one is going to go to jail for being part of a married gay couple (at least not yet).

[Oni]

No one is going to go to jail for being part of a married gay couple (at least not yet).

Is that why you have not asked me yet? Scared of dropping the soap?

[Fox]

No, that's why I lock the bathroom door when I shower.

[TundraWolf]

Let me start with you. That is not a Flaw. Go look up your IRS stats. Most people that file taxes that are "recognized" as married file sepertaly due to MUCH better benefits.

Guess I am remembering wrong in that case. It was two years ago I took home ec. But it still affects how much you pay when you file your taxes right?

As far as believing that a baby can only come from AI or from adoption. Let's examine Fox and myself. We have a 6 year old son, been together 6 years, and no adoption papers yet.

No adoption papers? As in it is still an adoption? My point is that (as far as I am aware) two males can not produce a child so to have a child they would have to care for the child of another couple presumably through adoption papers or no. 

[Fox]

No adoption papers? As in it is still an adoption? My point is that (as far as I am aware) two males can not produce a child so to have a child they would have to care for the child of another couple presumably through adoption papers or no.

Or one of them could have a child from a previous relationship.  The other just would not be a legal parent.

[TundraWolf]

Or one of them could have a child from a previous relationship.  The other just would not be a legal parent.

Blech, divorce, I forgot about that. I often presume people (although I shouldn't because so many do) don't usually divorce.

[Fox]

Lol, if you don't think people divorce, I really wonder what you think of people that have kids outside of marriage.

[kirawolf]

Really tho i think what wasnt brought up was that in the case of being the father or mother of a child of devorce, the partner should also be able to apply for adoption. Legally the parent afterwards.

And Oni, A. You mispelled my name and im having a picky day lmao
              B. What would you like me to re-word? I like an argument too and i havent had a chance to get bitchy at all this week yet lol

[TundraWolf]

Lol, if you don't think people divorce, I really wonder what you think of people that have kids outside of marriage.

Well I know people do (considering my parents did) I just for some reason don't usually think of it as common unless it is mentioned. The main reason I don't like divorce is if they have a kid and they split up.

As for having children outside of marriage... Well I don't like it. For one our population is high enough as it is. If we didn't have farming our population's environment would have reached its carrying capacity long ago. Not to mention pollution. Basically that's just me thinking sadistically. The other part of me doesn't mind though as long as the relationship can be held with a child added in the equation. 

[kirawolf]

Tundra i totally agree with you...none of us want to say what has to be said. With trying to push the amount of years people can live, we have unfortunately created alot of vegetable people, and what are you supposed to do, kill them? Not saying that all are like that but beforehand when people died at least before 70 they werent all bed ridden and could still work, contributing to society. And then the birth rate is rediculous, we dont need to start castrating men again, however with the new male birth control shot coming out (i think it already is) men should be required by law to take it till he is 18 (girls too, its not a sexist statement) but up until now its been just the womans job to take birth control and alot of men apparently cant put on the condom so its good for both parties, and if we're lucky the birth rate will go down.

[TundraWolf]

Nice to know someone agrees. My grandpa is still in work, I think its pretty cool that he has so much determination to work at such an old age. He is in amazing condition for how old he is. Why? Because he works and exercises.

up until now its been just the womans job to take birth control and alot of men apparently cant put on the condom so its good for both parties, and if we're lucky the birth rate will go down.

That has always driven me insane. It pisses me off that people have sex when they don't want a kid. Its just... sheer lust. How does it help anyone to risk having a kid?