What is sex?

[Taylor-MadeAK]

I see you think you know everything you need to know, therefore I will butt out of what I thought was to be an open discussion.  Good luck with your chosen course of action.

[Oni]

Damn I wish I could get  more of the older crowd to comment on this thread.
No offense to the younger one's. But I am talking about people who have had life experiances in this matter.

It's not just sex that is in this discussion it's love, and relationship. Since by somes definition has to be had before you can have sex.

Though to clearify something. I have NOT loved every person I have had sex with. But there was a relationship there, even if it was just lust. LOL.

I can't say that I have been compleate friends with every person I have played with iether. But I still LEARNED something (and not about how to do it iehter) from each experiance that I was able to take on to the next, or foward in life.

But like any other experiance in life. You can't just Wait till that perfect moment to try it. Much like having a boyfriend or girlfriend. Ya gotta jump out there and start trying till you get it right. tell me. What would happen if you only studied japaness (sp) but NEVER spoke it till you got to Japan. 10 years of studing a lanuage but never speaking it yourself. I am sure would be rather entertaining to say the least to see you speak it when you got off the plane. Sure you would know what you were saying, but your tounge would have no idea were to go. (roflol there's a pun there).

[Goman Fox]

But like any other experiance in life. You can't just Wait till that perfect moment to try it. Much like having a boyfriend or girlfriend. Ya gotta jump out there and start trying till you get it right.

Lol, that actually contradicts what I believe is some of the best relationship-seeking advice out there, which is to NOT go out looking for a relationship.   Pursue possibilities that come up, but don't just jump out there and start going for anything that looks your way.

I suppose everyone has their own perspective on this, but to my way of thinking the "wait until you're married" mentality is nothing more than religious brainwashing; a vestigial tradition from a time when pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases weren't understood enough to be preventable, so the surest way to protect one's family in this regard was to brainwash your children into avoiding having sex altogether until after marriage.

Call it what you will.  I'm not really religious anymore.  By the way, that "brainwashing" also suggested that thinking about or talking about sex was a sin in itself, and something to be avoided.  I'm not advocating that.

From someone that's known Rachael a few years, back when she was more "religious" (although probably not as much as she used to be, even then) she's right.  And if there was any religious brainwashing, I'd think it was Rachael's choice to do it to herself.  After meeting her and figuring out the things that she believed that you'd normally think would come from religious parents forcing their beliefs onto their children, I was shocked to meet her parents.  I pictured these hardcore religious people with strict rules for how to live and such, at least in certain aspects of life, but they weren't at all.  They seemed more laid-back about things than Rachael was, so any religious-influence on her seemed to be her own choice.  I dunno, I always thought that was unusual, just because it was unexpected for me.

I do agree with TM a bit though, in the fact that limiting yourself to sex only after marriage may not be a good idea because even if sex isn't a big part of your relationship, it's still an important one.  Finding out after marriage that the relationship may not work out because of something you learned because of sex would kinda suck.  Although I'm not saying you definitely need to have sex before marriage, I think it'd be best to at least have the option out there.  Restricting yourself to sex only after marriage seems like it could cause problems, especially if one person, or both, wanted sex, they might sorta rush the relationship towards marriage, and rushing relationships is never good.  But if you keep the option of sex open, I'd think it'd stop that sort of thing from happening.  You and your partner could agree that waiting until marriage is ideal for both of you, but it should probably be a mutual decision based on how your relationship is and how you want it to go, rather than having one of you decide before even knowing the other person that you're going to wait.  Who knows, maybe there could be a time in your relationship before marriage where you feel it's right to have sex?  You shouldn't restrict your relationship to what you think is right or wrong, but instead have it progress based on how you feel.

[Rachael]

I see you think you know everything you need to know, therefore I will butt out of what I thought was to be an open discussion.  Good luck with your chosen course of action.

What?  This is an open discussion.  If you don't want me to debate with you, just say so.  I'm sorry if I offended you.

Ya gotta jump out there and start trying till you get it right. tell me. What would happen if you only studied japaness (sp) but NEVER spoke it till you got to Japan. 10 years of studing a lanuage but never speaking it yourself. I am sure would be rather entertaining to say the least to see you speak it when you got off the plane.

Obviously, you need to study the language, practice it with real people, etc.  But I think it's rather ridiculous to suggest you have to "try out" sex with people you're not attached to before having it with someone you love.  If some people want to do it that way, it's fine, but I find it preposterous that it's inherently better than only having sex with someone you love.

You can have sex with someone you don't love.  That's just not what everyone wants to do.  Some people would rather have sex with someone they don't love because they're not interested in the emotional attachments of a relationship.  That's fine.  Others would rather wait until they're in a very intimate and close relationship before they have sex.  That's what I'm planning to do.

My idea of trying my "language" on real people is by talking to and asking them about their experiences.  I just...I just can't go out and have a one-night stand with someone, or find a sex buddy.  It's not in my nature.

And the subject of this thread was "What is sex?"  I don't remember seeing anything about love or relationships in the OP. :p

Although I'm not saying you definitely need to have sex before marriage, I think it'd be best to at least have the option out there.  Restricting yourself to sex only after marriage seems like it could cause problems, especially if one person, or both, wanted sex, they might sorta rush the relationship towards marriage, and rushing relationships is never good.  But if you keep the option of sex open, I'd think it'd stop that sort of thing from happening.  You and your partner could agree that waiting until marriage is ideal for both of you, but it should probably be a mutual decision based on how your relationship is and how you want it to go, rather than having one of you decide before even knowing the other person that you're going to wait.  Who knows, maybe there could be a time in your relationship before marriage where you feel it's right to have sex?  You shouldn't restrict your relationship to what you think is right or wrong, but instead have it progress based on how you feel.

You hit the nail on the head, Ben.  This is what I plan on doing.  That's why I didn't say "I'm definitely not going to have sex before I'm married."  I know I don't have the real-life experience needed to make a decision.  I've felt lust, but I've never had to resist the temptation of knowing I'm in a loving relationship, and CAN have sex if I choose.  I sounded a bit more adamant about staying a virgin until marriage because I was defending that ideology as a valid decision.  That passion that TM spoke of--I've never felt it.  The fact of the matter is, I've never been in love with anyone.  I should have admitted my ignorance earlier, but it's difficult for me to do that in the heat of an argument. :p

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Fox, as usual, puts things more succinctly than I can.

I do need to point out, however, that my comments about religious brainwashing weren't directed specifically at Rachael.  It's a general commentary on our national traditions in general and why I think they result in failed marriages and - even worse - teen pregnancy.  But, since my voiced opinions are being taken personally, I guess I'll go find something better to do...

...like make plans for celebrating our fourteenth anniversary a week from tomorrow....

[Oni]

Quote from: Oni on Today at 01:12:20 PM
But like any other experiance in life. You can't just Wait till that perfect moment to try it. Much like having a boyfriend or girlfriend. Ya gotta jump out there and start trying till you get it right.
Lol, that actually contradicts what I believe is some of the best relationship-seeking advice out there, which is to NOT go out looking for a relationship. Tongue  Pursue possibilities that come up, but don't just jump out there and start going for anything that looks your way.

LOL wow that was kinda taken wrong. I did not mean JUMP into relationships. LOL. Let them happen is kinda the best advise I can give. Like with Fox and I, by the time we realized we were a couple we had already been a couple for some time.

And the subject of this thread was "What is sex?"  I don't remember seeing anything about love or relationships in the OP. :p

Love had got mentioned many times through out the thread so I figured it was a relievent part of how some people view sex.

Now technicaly Sex is intercourse between two people. LOL.

[Taylor-MadeAK]

I have nothing further to add...

...well, except maybe this:

[inkydragon27]

rachel vs. TMAK = epic battle.

solution: Goma. Nice call, man. Right on the dot ^^ Except even with my limited experience of ONE boyfriend (albeit, for a year :s) - i still strongly agree with these:

Quote from: Robert A. Heinlein
"Love" is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.

Quote from: Robert A. Heinlein
Sex without love is merely healthy exercise.

Great call, TMAK.

I think sex can be a curse or a blessing. It can give life, take life, ruin and mend- it is a great mystery that so many people all around the world spend so much time thinking bout it, singing about it, drawing, talking, and writing about it. It really cannot be explained that which makes a seemingly mundane physical act so intriguing, inspiring and wonderful. Maybe its genetic programming, maybe its behavioural patterning, or maybe something completely different?
Why did our forebears a century or few ago find the act so sinful?

-Just thought I'd add another dimension to this topic, since it seemed the battle was getting a little bloody, and TMAK was resorting to kittens and invisible breasts xD

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Submitted as proof that the appeal of boobies is nigh universal. ~.~

[inkydragon27]

  suuure-
Any excuse to be childish, eh?

*megaglomp!!!* hai you changed your dp!
  heehee! *feels proud*

[Taylor-MadeAK]

Don't let it go to your head, Oni changed it on me.  I just haven't gotten around to changing it back.

Come on, you want to tell me that the whole "furry" thing itself isn't childish?  Oni and I had this conversation on the phone earlier today, in fact.

[inkydragon27]

  now you ruined my happy moment.

Y you always so mean TMAK?
I'm not like Oni, im not so good at ppl bein mean to me :s

I agree that certain aspects are childish >.> But hell, if it makes me feel more whole as a preson, and gives more purpose to my life, why not?
I'd rather keep my inner child alive and well, than be a shrivelled up old prune some day

[Oni]

What about furry sex....since we are on the topic of what is sex. What is Furry sex?

[Taylor-MadeAK]

That's pretty much how the conversation with Oni went, actually.  We both agree that the whole furry/yiffy/fursuit thing is childish, but you know what?  It's okay to be childish sometimes.

[inkydragon27]

  as long as no one is severely traumatised, everyone wins XD but personally, thinking of furry sex just brings to mind the bbc doco of ursus and wabbit and their yiffden XD ICK.

furry sexuality? Fur+slim bodies+suggestive poses= spooge art LAWL
hm.. I dunno? If you're kinda turned on by a wolf girl topless, or you like the way your neighbour's dog struts her stuff? ITS  a scary realm to delve into, but hell, why not.

I guess I could start: hm.. I do enjoy some of the spooge art, save for vore/macro/micro which just plain confuses me, and anything that could be considered pedophiliac. (i know i just butchered that word, but u get my drift...) I don't agree with beastiality IRL, in some cases I consider it animal abuse, but some of the art is surprisingly well done considering its subject matter Umm... I find a guy in a suit cute, but I also find a guy NOT in a suit just as cute. You could say I'm one of the minority groups in the fandom- I'm a female heterosexual XD OH NOES! I don't see how fursuit sex could be comfortable, let alone pleasurable, and shriek to think of my months of hard work being ruined by bodily fluids Hmm... I guess that covers it?
Also, I find plushophilia deeply disturbing- this was NOT helped by my furry friend Matt sending me pics of one particular fur defecating on a plastic TMNT figurine and then getting off on it. NO.
I would provide a link but i think you'd rather keep your eyes non-hemorrhaging, rite?
ick.